Despite the promise of a digital future, staff and leaders are increasingly seeking human connection. In this conversation author David Sax discusses why analog has proven so durable in a world filled with the promises of a digital transformation. He explains why being in person is something that calls to us, what leaders should do to maximize connection in a hybrid world, and lessons for those still feeling too stuck on screens (or listening to podcasts on headphones!)
00:44 Show Intro
01:22 Welcoming David
02:22 Early childhood experiences with computers
03:49 The last generation that grew up without being always digitally connected
04:28 Covid era digital experiences - not so good
05:49 Book: Revenge of analog
06:57 Writing the new book during the pandemic
07:07 Questions he was getting at the beginning of the pandemic
09:51 Covid was a test drive of a digital future
10:24 Work world - should we go back to the office?
10:56 Unknown future
11:34 Different for everyone and every company
12:27 Difficult to find the new mix of digital vs analog
12:41 Accept that it is really difficult to get the mix right
13:40 No binary solutions to the question of how to work
14:05 Cost of going into the office and the cost of not going into the office
15:40 Embodied cognition
17:28 Burnout, zoom fatigue, dislocation
18:15 Generational differences
21:19 People just want SOME flexibility
22:13 19th century model, not a fit
23:50 Advice to people to navigate around this
25:07 What do you like and dislike about coming into the office?
26:13 Figure out what is working and what isn't
26:48 Do limited experiments
27:16 Gather data
27:59 Simplest way to inject more analog goodness into their life
28:16 Get away from the screen
29:41 Thank yous
30:22 Outro
